# Tom Randall x The Nugget Climbing Podcast: Interview With Lattice Training

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1kVGGPXyLAbiSAvTpz8MsC?si=baa9ad9753f84e00 This one is a bit of a special one-off! Tom Randall sits down with the founder of the Nugget Climbing Podcast, Steven to discuss all things Lattice, training and performance. There's so many things that get discussed in this one, so we've put the highlight below with timestamps. We've also put all the links to Steven's podcast at the bottom as well. 11:25 – Meeting Ollie Torr and testing his finger strength 14:15 – How Tom helped Ollie improve his endurance and efficiency, and a message about patience 18:19 – What Tom did to get strong 23:14 – Key TRX and rings exercises for the shoulders 37:59 – Finger training methodology, and off-season vs in-season training 45:50 – Is increasing training capacity (work capacity) a good goal? 49:20 – Hangboard protocol principles 1:06:35 – Balancing fun and hard work 1:14:42 – The Lattice YouTube channel [henuggetclimbing.com](http://thenuggetclimbing.com/) (My podcast website) [thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/tom-randall](http://thenuggetclimbing.com/episodes/tom-randall) (Our episode show notes) [thenuggetclimbing.com/top-lists](http://thenuggetclimbing.com/top-lists) (Top Episodes page for new listeners) [instagram.com/thenuggetclimbing](http://instagram.com/thenuggetclimbing) (The Nugget on Instagram)